tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7354250.post1835251151727559900..comments2024-01-31T01:40:57.553-06:00Comments on Adventures in Reading: Karen Traviss quits Star WarsJoehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16094675116398769415noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7354250.post-14980713890879186792015-12-27T04:52:24.467-06:002015-12-27T04:52:24.467-06:00Well that makes me rather put out. Picked up the b...Well that makes me rather put out. Picked up the books I could find a while ago after finding one at a book shop. Was one of the few star wars series I enjoyed, and finding out the author left the scene years ago isn't making me love it much. Time to move onto her other series I suppose, also on the jedi thing, I never liked the amount of plot armor some got. Suspension of disbelief gets too much when practically one person uses flamethrowers (perfect thing to make toasty jedi) in the movies despite being fairly easy to make/improvise. Some people like it I guess but the whole demigod aspect puts me off at times.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07580915831860600721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7354250.post-82287698558057528462012-07-13T01:51:19.316-05:002012-07-13T01:51:19.316-05:00Agreed. Karen brought a new dimension to the clone...Agreed. Karen brought a new dimension to the clones. prior to Karen's novels they would often be portrayed simply as mass produced fodder or exist only so that the Jedi had something to rescue. I really enjoy the new perspective into their lives and the gritty realism of their point of view. Karen's work has that stamp of authenticity about it, I don't know if it was the attention to detail or the vivid insight into the clones mindset, but it really worked for me.Jon McNamarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07006444574891544005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7354250.post-89874134159156508662010-09-23T21:11:23.026-05:002010-09-23T21:11:23.026-05:00Hi Abigail, thanks for stopping by the blog. Conv...Hi Abigail, thanks for stopping by the blog. Conversation is a little old (two years), but no prob. <br /><br />I don't think Traviss's Jedi post was up at the time I wrote this. Probably would have linked it at the time. <br /><br />You seem a bit put out at the Traviss support. <br /><br />Two years later I do still think that her SW books were some of the strongest and best written. One of the things I appreciate the most about them is that they provide an alternative perspective, that from the clone soldiers.<br /><br />It's a perspective entirely lacking in the rest of the hundred odd novels. What would they think when they are on their own. If they are being developed to be able to be thinking warriors (besides just cannon fodder), they'll think about other stuff too - like the unfairness of their stituation and not getting a choice. <br /><br />So, from their perspective (and from Traviss's, it seems), there are moral issues with the Jedi behavior. <br /><br />They have a point. As does Traviss. <br /><br />Do I completely buy into it? Absolutely not. But remember, in the portrayals of the Jedi through Traviss's novels - from a fiction perspective, Traviss CAN'T say that the Jedi are evil and do all bad things. But she can present a perspective where certain characters believe that as an Order, the Jedi are problematic. <br /><br />There's a distinct difference between the truth on the ground and the tightly narrowed perspective of characters who have good reason to dislike many Jedi. <br /><br />It also gives a sense of context to some of the actions of Order 66 (not the novel, the event). <br /><br />I still wish that Traviss would / could continue to write in SW universe. She brings a great voice and difference of perspective from the Jedi-centric of the others. AND, she's really, really good. <br /><br />Which you don't believe, and that's fine.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16094675116398769415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7354250.post-60208306053952988682010-09-23T11:48:50.539-05:002010-09-23T11:48:50.539-05:00http://www.karentraviss.com/html/jedi.htm
"S...http://www.karentraviss.com/html/jedi.htm<br /><br />"Supposed Jedi hate" indeed.Abigailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02995119991281045602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7354250.post-41409259503110985172010-09-23T11:44:02.101-05:002010-09-23T11:44:02.101-05:00Bye.
Never come back.
Also, lol "supposed J...Bye.<br /><br />Never come back.<br /><br />Also, lol "supposed Jedi hate".<br /><br />She outright called them "tea-spoon bending dogmatic fascists".<br /><br />Also, sickening amounts of Mandalorian wank.<br /><br />"As far as the number goes, the Kaminoans managed to turn out 1.2 million clones by the start of the wars. It's reasonable that, at the 10-year growth rate, there would only be 3 million or so by the end of the war'<br /><br />To take on the Quadrillion+ Droids?Abigailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02995119991281045602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7354250.post-86258033956503547622010-03-13T21:11:22.103-06:002010-03-13T21:11:22.103-06:00I agree with everyone's comments especially th...I agree with everyone's comments especially the opening paragraphs. I just finished the "501st" and can say to everyone, that all the fans that were harking on Karen's supposed, hate for the Jedi, can give it a rest. Because she makes a strong point in this book, that not every jedi is the same and they have different perspectives. She does this a little bit in her third commando book too but definitely expands on it in her 501st book. <br />Secondly, I have seen the clone wars tv series on Mandalore and compared to Traviss' world, it's at most, 2 dimensional. It's true what some of you said. She had to clear everything with Lucas Arts before it was published anyway. And her books came way before the TV episode did. If anything they could've worked with Karen's model of Mandalore. <br />I think she has done a wonderful job with mandalorian culture and the view of clone troopers. It fits and works with all the star wars history and, like someone said above, ties all the loose pieces together from the gaps in the movies. <br /><br />I really wish "The Man" would leave what isn't broke alone and use what has already become an awesome world and culture in the SW universe...<br /><br />Bravo Karen Traviss, bravo.Shanenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7354250.post-35822532047592169602009-09-12T10:48:13.475-05:002009-09-12T10:48:13.475-05:00As far as the number goes, the Kaminoans managed t...As far as the number goes, the Kaminoans managed to turn out 1.2 million clones by the start of the wars. It's reasonable that, at the 10-year growth rate, there would only be 3 million or so by the end of the war - unless you use other cloning sources, such as Spaarti cloning cells, which she discusses in Order 66.<br /><br />Actually, her work (for me) does the best job of tying together a number of what seem to be inconsistencies between the original novels and the prequels.<br /><br />As to her Jedi hate, unless your head is up your butt you cannot deny that, at least from a "certain point of view," the Jedi are pretty amoral and even evil. Certainly the Sith thought so. I can see how the clones would think so, and the Mandalorians who trained them. In almost every real-life war, soldiers complain about their incompetent generals. Why should the Clone Wars be any different?Wesley Vosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7354250.post-34198144412800431162009-08-13T08:36:00.659-05:002009-08-13T08:36:00.659-05:00Fans always finds something to complain about, so ...Fans always finds something to complain about, so I guess her strong opinions makes her an easy target.Saibotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7354250.post-55917970050108615272009-08-12T19:52:11.801-05:002009-08-12T19:52:11.801-05:00Good point, I forgot about the 3,000,000. Though....Good point, I forgot about the 3,000,000. Though...that's another thing...Traviss had to push that number through LucasBooks, right? She doesn't write in a vacuum.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16094675116398769415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7354250.post-34574176600591935542009-08-12T16:00:09.777-05:002009-08-12T16:00:09.777-05:00Much of the dislike stems from when Traviss wrote ...Much of the dislike stems from when Traviss wrote that there was only 3 000 000 or so clone troopers a few years ago. A lot of the fanbase thought that was a gross underestimation of their numbers, something they were quite vokal about and Traviss responded to, and which in turn led to something of a flamewar between her and the fans.<br /><br /><br />That said, as a fan of the Republic Commando books I'm sad to hear this.Saibotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7354250.post-72641021792760515722009-08-12T06:29:16.209-05:002009-08-12T06:29:16.209-05:00Kendall: It's possible that Traviss has also ...Kendall: It's possible that Traviss has also made public comments about the Jedi, I have no clue, but yeah - to me it is the difference between viewpoint character and assumed authorial intent. <br /><br />Now, if she wrote a story that has Yoda and Obi-Wan sitting around in the Jedi Council saying how much the Jedi suck, can't do anything right, and that they hope all the clones die...that would be another story.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16094675116398769415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7354250.post-9658540667344628482009-08-12T02:37:39.526-05:002009-08-12T02:37:39.526-05:00I know nothing about this situation and haven'...I know nothing about this situation and haven't read any SW books, ever (heresy!), but one thing you mentioned caught my eye: <i>her perceived Jedi hate.</i> It always amazes me when people (the fans you mention) make assumptions about what an author thinks or feels, based on what they write. ;-)<br /><br />Anyway, I've only heard good things about her writing; I have <i>City of Pearl</i> but haven't read it yet. Thanks for plugging it--I'd forgotten I had it.Kendallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09127409362906807882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7354250.post-1581794696105714362009-08-11T20:13:50.038-05:002009-08-11T20:13:50.038-05:00Yeah - ultimately it is George Lucas's sandbox...Yeah - ultimately it is George Lucas's sandbox and tv / movies will almost always trump the books in terms of importance (as perceived by The Man, not necessarily the readers), but it's not like Karen Traviss was working in a vacuum here. Far as I know her decisions had to be cleared by the LucasBooks folks, so I'm a little confused by how such drastic changes are being made that she feels she can't continue writing for Star Wars.<br /><br />I'll miss her.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16094675116398769415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7354250.post-45951165402048761522009-08-11T09:55:06.523-05:002009-08-11T09:55:06.523-05:00I read a little about this elsewhere and was surpr...I read a little about this elsewhere and was surprised by the decision to leave. Until I began to get a glimmer of the details and it made much more sense. Kind of like being allowed to play in a sandbox then somebody decides they want you to use Matchbox instead of Hot Wheels.<br /><br />Anyway, I think she has a lot to offer the SW Universe and it will be weaker with her gone. Either way, it'll end up like Salvatore killing Chewie. Some fans just won't get over it and will bicker about it for years to come.Neil Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13023957663164567385noreply@blogger.com